Global Tribunal Weapons / SEEKERS / CM Section [NOTE: this a partial list only, for a full list see objects list]

I Galen Thurber have been a pioneer and leader in weapons, ECM, seeker edits (not to mention bugs fixes, missions, flight envelopes) since late 1997. These advanced edits are rarely even attempted by other LIB makers. The value add to FA from my edits are to say the least impressive; they vastly improve sim play and require 'veteran' default players to convert from trained monkeys that build skill from repeatitive arcade play into proper thinking human sim pilots. Some of them fear leaving the crib. Too bad. For the other wise sim pilots whom have left the crib for realism; my hat is off to you.

Understanding these objects WILL vastly improve your survivability and skill ! but if you fly FA already you have to unlearn your misinformed tactics and learn realism skills. Do not be afraid, be wise.

Another major bug in default ATFG/FA is the very poorly modelled ECM CM parameters. Many default objects are mearly clones of mistakes. Hence another poor rush job... but it can be rebuilt !

missions / tips and specs

CREDITS: Custom weapon ICONs donated by:

• Tim Smith tim@jlc.net [flightsimHQ ex-moderator]
• John K Peterson [flightsimHQ former-moderator]

ECM CM pods

GT lib updates and improves on mods conducted by Varks libs. Vark's documentation claims ECMS work together at the same time; I have not yet verified the results. update: July 20th, 2000 started rework of GT ECM [troubles associated with Varks as a baseline] with help from Jon Stelling and http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/index.html

Notes: these specs change without notice, many default objects are identical. Second major rebuild of ECM type started in GT 39. Data here is often speculative but all relative.

FA notes: number of objects adversely limits number of ECM pods [and fuel tanks]- LIBMASTER TIPS - best build planes with ECM and CM separate so that AI can use either when needed instead of CM 1st.

AI notes: when flying against the computer, the computer does use ECM but you can not see the ECM noise cone. In the stats screen ECM'd misses on AI also do not show up. They may appear as jinked or failed.

GT objects will carry specs in the name for easier placement on hardpoints. Bold name indicates CM/ECM up to GT specs

ECM power cones:

• low 7-20 [nam]
• med 5-40 [modern or old big]
• high 3-60 [big or modern]

Chaff / Flare percentage

• default =35
• improved =49
• smart =70

GUNS 
you want em you got em! GUN bugs are a huge problem in default game and many libmasters incorrectly mod these weapons

Repairs to ATFG/ FA guns:

• range
• fire rate [not CPU based!]
• bullet speed [to compensate for CPU lag]
• hit points [3d system, not 2d]
• hit bubbles [to account for FA scale bug]
• aspect
• radar slave slewing. FBW
• proper hit percentage over range
• platform dependant hit percentage tweeks

EA Jane's damage points seem to be calculated  for 1nm so 1.4 will be used for GT realism patch, it's when  the bullet's energy is depleted too much to cause realistic damage. This static damage point system is only good at this spec'd range, in real life the closer the more damage inflicted. We have to live with this one.

Also ~3000 kmph seems to be the fastest a bullet can be made to fly, tested this with the ADEN @ v=4692 but bullet only went ~0.7 @ event [3000 value] Above that speed is CPU based. Meaningfaster CPUs have advantages in gunfights.

Fixes super RANGE Jane's uses the 'event' time  of  40 which gives guns super range.

Fire rate bug first fixed by GT - a cheat busted

problems many libmasters make is too set the fire rate to 0, this causes overload of objects in the games and very bad on multiplayer.The solution is to calculate hit points as if 10 bullets are fired at once 1/4 sec then multiply that value to match fire rate [10 at 1/4 is 2400 RPM]

RPM / 240 = round per 1/4 burst

rounds per burst [RB] X hit points = hit point

ATFG speed limits to 3000kmph

ADEN - sea harrier ..
Aden 30mm Cannon Pod
MuzzleVel: 2933(2933) mph [not sure about this seems very high]
kmh 4692  range 1.4  event = 8 [does not work see above ]
set to [max]2933 range 1.5  event = 14
rpm 10?

BK27 27mm - Viggen, Gripen
Mauser BK27 27mm Cannon
(janes game) MuzzleVel: 2293(2933) mph
this too gets max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14

rpm= 1700 [med fire rate selectable] 7 RB
lots of punch

Mirage3 2000 Raf
DEFA 30mm

max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14
rpm= 1500 [med rate selected] 5RB

25mm
GAU-12 Enforcer Cannon

max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14
rpm= 3600 [selectable] 15 RB

GAU-13 Pave Claw
30mm
max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14
rpm= 2400 [selectable] 10 RB

A10
25mm
GAU-8 Avenger

this too gets max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14
rpm= 1800+ [med rate selected] 8 RB

M61 Vulcan Cannon F16..
20mm
M61 Vulcan Cannon

max'd out to 2933km/h   range 1.47 event=14
rpm= 6000 [med rate selected] 25 RB
 

soviet types [usually slower but heaver grain]

GSh-6-30 Mig23 Mig31
GSh-6-30
MuzzleVel: 1745(2933)
converted to v= 2790  range= 1.48 event =14

GSh-30x1 Yak 141
GSh-30x1
same as above

GSh301 - Mig29 .. Su 25
GSH301 30mm x 6
speed[km/h] 2790/1745  event 14, range= 1.4
heavy grain 23%

GSh-6-23 Su24
GSh-6-23

convert to v= 2576  range 1.5  event= 15
GSh-23x2 Mig21
GSh-23x2
same specs as above

Unguided rockets

parital list

B-25 [S-25] OFM Russian heavy unguided, wh >1000lbs, frag, dual penetrating, [deadly against ships, structures] used mainly on Flankers

B-24 240mm Frag - heavy damage [used on strike craft]

B-13 2 types pen or HEAT [newer]

B-8 2 types Pen or HEAT [newer]

US rocket packs match hitpoints

more info to be added

A2A & A2G weapons
removal event less critical than guns, range & track are critical factors.
These are included to repair the handicapped non NATO weapons.

GT lib corrects more than 50 parameters per missle!

(with major bugs being fixed first)

More toolkit Tips:
Hit percentages : the maximun number should match 'electronic' reliability of the missle[ yr= max % - 10% for non-Nato  seems very close]
other limitations will be turn rate, and ECM / Flare/chaff resistance
key:

• low=60-80
• med=40-60
• high=20-40
• very high=0-20

ECM bonus for those Vintage missions

• ALQ101  1967  CW only  30/90  - 0/0
• ALQ123 1975 [updated 119]  CW hop, ir, no pulse 40/90  20/80

Disclaimer:

Specifications are often hard to verify for missles; such as speed (is that @10,000m or sea level ..?), tracking cones..., and what do they mean by range (burn out, removal, 25% hit percentage?)

GT libs critiques the data to see if it is 'realistic' and values that seem excessive or boosted get used as removal or as a 25% hit percentage. Often cold war data [even up to the early 90s] gets tranferred incorrectly, while many references and reproduce the incorrect data. We hope to spot and fix the errors.

Many target cones and ECM resistance values have been estimated (expect in instances of well know missles, AGM45, AGM65 ..)

Inside the game if you spot: *7, *7b, *6 or a 2 digit year then the missle has been repaired to more correct values

How to select the right missles for the job? Know your enemy's abilities & agility

[note this list needs updating, object may no longer by in GT patch]

Note: *agility 140 max value
>3G reduction is 140-agility/2
all IR missles given miss G threshold of around 20% to give you a chance to last second jink.
 

game cheat fixed

Turret guns for Soviet planes damage points now equals US ones [not 1/2 in default game] jun 1998 .

SAMS

Game cheats fixed: as usual non American SAMS were downgraded by EA FA/ATFG by at least 65%

Parameters fixed

• all aspect specs checked
• chaff / flare
• range
• percentage
• rough removal times
• altitude limits
• performance affectted by target's G
• harmonized damge points in 3d space, warhead types, rods, final targetting ...

NATO SAMS: have been modified as well to give the same relative performance, just haven't entered the data specs on site yet. Check for yourself the LIB is open source

ALERT shoulder launched SAMS are no longer targetable [so watch out]

SAM Evasive Tips

Tactics

draft

• several missions are designed so that you must reload - don't try to be a super hero, you will die
• being downed is usually a failure - so stay - know when and where to fight
• being able to control and direct your wingman is paramount
• exploit your payload variety
• easy on the afterburner
• know the altitude limits and manuoverability of SAMS

SAM Tactics

SA-3

• evade by diving, jammers and 2 chaff, go head on, turn away at 1mile
• can out G it, if you are light

SA-6

• S type watch it all the time, it can fire without radar lock warning, watch the scope and F5
• to evade goto 90degree offset, turn toward it at around 1.5 mile at roll away and chaff, jammers will help
• evade very low with many S turns
• evade by running away down low if you are near the range fringe
• S can lock on your radar - so pulse your radar rarely
• S type launcher requires a good clean hit to destroy it, go high as you can with aHARM

SA-7

• stay high
• or sweep turns on approach

SA-7S

• better seeker, will fire closer to you
• evade pull up and flare

SA-9

• rear aspect
• evade by out turning

SA-15

• armed with seekers this truck is a menace
• good but not great all aspect
• arc around these, dont show em a hot spot
• it can do you major damage

SA-13

• fiesty IR
• not much bite on the warhead, but a good hit will force you to land
• evade by jink and flare

...more to come

Hit Points

tanks:

?

aaa:

planes:

weight lbs empty ^0.33
x 1.(2 x extra engines)

+xx 1.(2x redundant controls systems FBW..)

+ xx 1.(armour factor 5=A10 4=Su32 3=WWII 2=metal 0=cloth

x 2

= hit points

ATFG Roundels  notes [transparent color 255? 47 or 175?

1. USA
2. British
3. China
4. French
5. German
6. Belgium <- Canada replaces this
7. Jordan
8. Israel
9. Japan
10. NK
11. Russ
12. SK
13. Syria
14. A Eg
15. Is Eg
16. Est
17. Latvia
18. Lith
19. Pol
20. Belo

SEEKERS [new]

Note: data maybe change at any time, these are not top secret specs only best guess from sources and analysis. See actual LIB files for current data

Secret: Lookdown values in toolkit limit what type of object radar can detect

• 0 means any
• 1 ships and land
• 2 static land only, no ships, some moving objects
• 3 very limited A2G

Abandoned Projects:  

 
ECM pods:  has been shown to be ineffective in ATFG [removed jan01] 98
re instated in lib may 24 98

Flags 
United Nations tail code #3
Nose art #3 UN text
to use it select icon #3 [not working well]
 
Country roundels for ATFG: , Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Taiwan, Argentina, Spain

Weapons  beta

Testbeds
This was a project that proved basic physics to the 714th 'know it alls' and how wrong they were. They of course fought all references examples with banishment from their site. Since then they have mysteriously been 'fixing' their guns closer to my original specs. Eat crow 714! -may 31/98

* you must load all libs to proceed with testbeds
Mig29X  two 301s side by side
Gsh301x testbed to replace 714 [dec & jan] 'lawn dart' guns  -
v1= original launch-2933/ end-1466 [kmph or mph?] event 40 [approx 3.5m!] not good
v2= 714 [data secret]  event distance 0.5 - 0.6! -too slow
work in progress Gsh301

• goal use correct speed measure & removal for about 1.7m [when energy depletes too much to damage anything]
• chance changed  - inside 0.6 100% chance unchanged
• range track 1.8 max
• test b3  v=nochange , event from 40 to 15
• test b4
• test b5 test speeds 450/250 [v450 is much like 714! far from 714 claims] very interesting
• test b6 match event with speed
• test b7 speed 1745 end=1040 [60%]
• changing performance reduction anyway is wrong due to the original specs are for S/L for guns & most weapons

The conclusions of the testbeds were to match the secret 714 libs with the data they were bragging about. Not only did their specs not match, the 714 lib was full of guns and speed errors. 714th of course denied anything was wrong and quietly 'borrowed' many of my specs to their new LIB releases, indicating they knew they were wrong and my data implementation was correct. Sadly 714th guns still contain many errors... but at least they are slowly getting closer to the GT high standards.